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« on: August 16, 2013, 12:34:45 AM »

There has been a self manufacturing incident in NSW on the 11 August 2013. blhuh

As reported by Emma partridge who is a crime reporter;

A man has lost three fingers in a chemical explosion while making rockets in the state's central west.

Police said the man was mixing chemicals which unexpectedly detonated on a family farm at Murga, north of Canowindra, about 4pm on Sunday.

He had already made a number of rockets, which were found at the Yells Road farm.

The man's mother and father found him with severe hand injuries.

The Parkes man, who was visiting his family farm, was airlifted to Liverpool Hospital for emergency surgery.

His injuries were not considered life threatening.

Orange police Inspector Peter Atkins said police did not believe the explosives were intended for anything sinister.

"It's more a case of young male making home-made explosive for his own interests," Inspector Atkins said.

"[It] appears he is making home-made rockets and unfortunately [has] blown his hand off."

Inspector Atkins said the man had been making the explosives with  chemicals commonly found on rural properties.

Hazardous material firefighters were called to the farm and declared the area safe.

Forensic officers have examined the area and police are waiting to speak to the injured man.


This is an extremely serious matter that requires a thorough investigation by police and Workcover NSW. This man appears lucky he was not killed!  BangHead

This is not a crime What this is is the experimental urges of the general public at work similar to the situation that occured in 1957 in the states. At that time young rocketry enthusiast became active in making and launching home made rocket motors which resulted in many deaths and injuries which resulted in hospitalisation!

To address these incidences the hobby of model rocketry was invented by the late great Harry Stine. The hobby was specifically designed to provide an alternative to contain the experimental urges of the general public to eliminate self manufacturing incidents such as the one reported by Emma Partridge.

The US NAR was formed and established at this time for the sole purpose of eliminating these self manufacturing incidences by adopting the policy which still exists today after 50 years of service rejecting "experimental" defined as user fabrication or commonly known as EX.

The late great Harry Stine once said "there is no safe way to manufacture a model rocket motor" this is a statement of fact and not a matter of opinion.

Am proud to be co-founder of an organisation such as the Australian Rocketry Association (ARA) who has adopted the same policies of the largest rocketry association in the world the US NAR of rejecting "experimental" and encouraging model rocketry and High Power Rocketry using safe commercially manufactured motors as an alternative which will not injure you or kill you as this young man has found out the hard way!

As the Adelaide Advanced Rocketry Club Inc (AARC) President which is affiliated to the ARA our constitution was specifically written to address these incidences which reads as follows in the objects of the club;

ARTICLE 2-1 OBJECTS: The objects of the club are:
(a) To cater and facilitate for the needs of its members, so that they may safely and legally pursue
their hobby of Model Rocketry and High power Rocketry.
(b) To arrange, manage and conduct sporting competition, recreational and educational rocketry
activities not related to experimental rocketry activities, in a safe and legal manner.

This self manufacturing incident in NSW requires a proper and thorough investigation by those claiming to represent public safety in NSW to get to the root cause of why this incident occured. the obvious question to ask is;

Are you aware of Model Rocketry which is designed as an alternative to the activities you were conducting?

Also as a suggestion for police officers investigating this incident would like to suggest asking the following question in your interview with this poor unfortunate victim. Are you a member of any rocketry association in Australia or overseas? If the answer is yes next question;

What association is that?

Hope this young man recovers from his disturbing injuries and NSW representatives claiming to represent public safety act on results of investigations into this incident. If this was in South Australia (SA) which currently has 3 incidences similar requiring hospitalisation would be down there like a flash interviewing this victim.

Next time it may not be a few fingers but a death of a sibling. Am sure any parents would be most interested to know there is a current alternative activity available in the form of hobby rocketry which is basically self regulated throughout Australia. Public safety officials claiming to represent public safety have chosen policies to restrict access in the way of permits and pyrotechnics licences to an activity designed to eliminate self injuries as described above.

What does this say for the future of our country. Other members views are welcome! dizundecided
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2013, 09:17:38 AM »

Sounds like he was making fireworks.
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2013, 09:52:51 PM »

you will never stop idiots, we need a breeding policy and breed them out.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2013, 02:02:49 PM »

What leads to situations like this is; Suppressing information and driving activities like this to backsheds that are ill equipped.
I have always been amazed at the complete and total over reaction people have to chemicals and explosive re-actions.

O.M.G stop the world someone burnt themselves..

Really, people have lost more fingers and limbs, going surfing, where's the outcry over that? ban surfing and all knowledge of it, if we are to be even handed about peoples safety

So I really could not disagree more with the statement that all activities and knowledge of such thing should be totally and utterly banned in all ways and forms.
because all that does is make for a useless, stupid and irresponsible population..

I say this because I was brought up in a time where children were taught how to handle and respect Guns, explosives and Fireworks

You can keep your nanny state mentality. to me that is the biggest crime.

If there were proper workshops and educational facilities, this kid would have had a safe place to conduct his activity with guidance and mentoring from others, and he'd still have his fingers.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2013, 11:03:52 PM »

I think it comes from living in WA anyway that's another topic your right we all played with stuff when young and got it out of our systems.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2013, 12:57:47 AM »

Interesting comments and opinions.  confused

OK, Hotspot the information available does not suggest this has anything to do with fireworks. There is a new generation now who did not have these experiences that we (EMIR, RocketballSA & yourself) had as children and dont know any different.

Rocketmad, it is unfortunate that these incidences happen and would suggest countermeasures are needed to address this by Australian Public Safety Officials who have the capability to suggest policies to government in the way of legislation. Not sure breeding programs would be considered.  dizundecided

EMIR, there is NO over reaction here, we are talking about our Australian youth here with this incident. Am not being rude by any means EMIR but some of your comments may not be appreciated by the parents of this young man . Read the purpose of the ARA blue book and this should clarify why this is an extremely serious matter!

Would like to repeat again, this is not a crime. It is the experimental urges of the general public at work.

These activities should not be confused with model rocketry!

Would suggest any organisation in Australia that promotes or encourages these activities be declared a "criminal organisation" with the appropriate action taken to protect young Australian rocketry enthusiasts.

The concept that hobby rocketry was specifically designed and invented as an outlet for the general public to contain the "experimental" urges is something Australian Public Safety officials find hard to grasp. There appears to be no accountability when these public safety officials make poor decisions that result in incidences such as these. They do not understand that the recommended ages by manufacturers particularly of small model rockets are 12 years old with adult supervision only recommended under this.

They cant see that children this age are better off making a bit if a nuisance of themselves down their local park with a harmless small model rocket rather than being in the hospital being visited by their parents after a self manufacturing incident where these public safety officials have denied them access to motors.

Losing 3 fingers in an unfortunate accident may seem trivial to some however am not aware of any injury equal to or death resulting from a launch of a commercially manufactured model rocket motor or high power rocket motor such as those manufactured by Estes, Quest and Aerotech anywhere in the world where millions have been launched.

Would suggest to any parent if you suspect your children may be involved with these "experimental" activities to obtain them a model rocket starter kit with a few motors. Am not suggesting this for increased sales of these products but to keep them alive and injury free so wont have to visit them in hospital.  idea1

Some food for thought.  

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2013, 01:47:15 AM »


EMIR, there is NO over reaction here,


Referring to the population in general, over reactions as in I saw this article in 3 different newspapers,
having differing statements of course, one did say fireworks, another said rockets, the other said explosives

At a guess I'd say it was rocket motors for Fireworks,
which of course are different than Model rocketry Motors

but media love hype, and so does the population

If some one chopped 3 fingers off at work with a circular saw, would it be in 3 or more newspapers
Calling for tighter controls or egging peoples fears.

And yes, I am not saying for people to go and play with explosives in the backshed..

I am saying the government need to allow a better outlet for kids who wish to pursue these kind of activities.
where it is safe.

Workshops / Training for fireworks etc..

Suppressing it and outlawing it, is where it becomes dangerous.
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2013, 12:44:56 PM »

And we all know that technically model rocket motors don't explode.
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2013, 01:52:25 PM »

There appears to be too much unknown information and this is why a proper investigation is needed by those who claim to represent public safety. Guessing is not good enough!

This incident appears consistant with the ones in SA where the worst known self manufacturing incident involving 2 15 year old children back in about 1995 resulted in the banning of rocket clubs with policies encouraging and endorsing "experimental" in a local council.

More food for thought.
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2013, 09:02:54 PM »

Totally agree with EMIR,

By all accounts this was not model rocketry activities - but homemade rockets which could be described as fireworks.

The trouble is here is that you ban something; fireworks, moonshine, fast cars, etc someone will find a way to circumvent that ban and make their own! Its human nature after all.
I agree that there should be education in these sort of things, where the activity can be regulated safely, much like what happens with model rocketry. Accidents always occur with little knowledge of the activity.

Fireworks should be legal anyway, we are in a democratic country after all!

As for public safety what a joke! I've got more chance of a drunk driver smashing into me on the way to work etc, then being hurt by someones homemade rocket!


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By the way rocket motors will explode if the burn rate and thus pressure, exceeds the design capability of the casing
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2013, 01:25:07 PM »

At a guess I'd say it was rocket motors for Fireworks,
which of course are different than Model rocketry Motors
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Model Rocket Motors are fireworks in Australia. This is the extract from Queensland explosives regulations confirming this;

Schedule 6 Unrestricted fireworks
schedule 7, definition unrestricted firework
1 Amorces and caps for toy pistols.
2 Indoor table bombs.
3 Model rocket motors—maximum weight 62.5g.
4 Snaps for bon bon crackers.
5 Sparklers.
6 Starting pistol caps.
7 Streamer cones.
8 Indoor decorative fountains.

In SA they are "shop goods fireworks" but restricted by permits.
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2013, 02:23:01 PM »



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By the way rocket motors will explode if the burn rate and thus pressure, exceeds the design capability of the casing

Hobby Rocket motors explode  dizlaugh dizlaugh dizlaugh so do car engines when deflagrations happen inside the motor. I have seen casings burn holes in the side , nozzle's blow out , forward closures blowout out but that is not exploding.

APCP in hobby rocketry materials deflagrate which makes them a "low explosive". as is Black powder , you make it sound like its a plastic explosive, ie C4  




And there is no place for backyard EX in this country
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2013, 04:08:14 AM »

Totally agree with EMIR,

By all accounts this was not model rocketry activities - but homemade rockets which could be described as fireworks.

The trouble is here is that you ban something; fireworks, moonshine, fast cars, etc someone will find a way to circumvent that ban and make their own! Its human nature after all.
I agree that there should be education in these sort of things, where the activity can be regulated safely, much like what happens with model rocketry. Accidents always occur with little knowledge of the activity.

Fireworks should be legal anyway, we are in a democratic country after all!

As for public safety what a joke! I've got more chance of a drunk driver smashing into me on the way to work etc, then being hurt by someones homemade rocket!


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And we all know that technically model rocket motors don't explode.
 
By the way rocket motors will explode if the burn rate and thus pressure, exceeds the design capability of the casing

Loki have one thing here that is 100% correct. This is not about model rocketry activities which should not be confused with this incident.

Would like to suggest that one self manufacturing incident involving children is equal to 1000 drink drivers in the general publics perception of outrage concerning this.

As for fireworks this is of great concern to community safety groups particularly in SA where our firefighters spend most of their time particularly on new years eve running around putting out grass fires started by illegal fireworks. To suggest it should be legal appears nothing less than than endorsing people to be "certified Arsonists". In jurisdictions such as SA, WA and Vic where bushfires cause so much devastation and hardship to the general community there is no room for fireworks to be legal and available to the general public.

It appears to be total madness! Having said that due to the fire safety features of model rocketry this is very different to illegal fireworks.

Some food for thought.  idea1
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