Funny, I assumed it would be compulsory for a person to build the rocket themselves that they want to certify with. Checking over the HPR cert procedures, though, doesn't mention this one way or another.

When/where is the flight happening Drano? If I get a chance I'll try to rock up!

Quoted from Mr F

Funny, I assumed it would be compulsory for a person to build the rocket themselves that they want to certify with. Checking over the HPR cert procedures, though, doesn't mention this one way or another.
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Yes you must build the rocket yourself even though it does not talk about it being your build if you wish to pass it must be your build or i will reject the the certifcation

Quoted from wolflair

Yes you must build the rocket yourself even though it does not talk about it being your build if you wish to pass it must be your build or i will reject the the certifcation

The procedure specifies that for L3 certification the rocket must be built by the person attempting it, but it doesn't say anything about this for L1 and L2 cert attempts. Therefore, you would assume it was OK to certify to L1 and L2 without the need to make the rocket (unlikely, but...)
Anyway, Dranoweb said that he was after a kit - he did not buy the rocket ready-made

Think your only cheating yourself if you borrow a rocket for a level 1 cert regardless of what the cert procedures say. Certainly it would ruin the satisfaction of building something and seeing it all work fine. People who experience that feeling like I do understand what im on about!  

It should be noted there was no suggestion from Dranoweb that he borrow a rocket to me.

Quoted from kryten

The procedure specifies that for L3 certification the rocket must be built by the person attempting it, but it doesn't say anything about this for L1 and L2 cert attempts. Therefore, you would assume it was OK to certify to L1 and L2 without the need to make the rocket (unlikely, but...)
Anyway, Dranoweb said that he was after a kit - he did not buy the rocket ready-made

Ah, yeah... sheesh i'm an idiot.

Thanks for pointing that out Kryten... on a re-read it is clear that Drano was after a kit off somebody, not a rocket already made. My bad.  

Still, I think it was good to bring this up. Does the HPR cert need a rework at some stage to make this point clear?

Hey Drano what kit did you end up getting off Bones???

well guess what the HPR guidlines will be having an update in FEB 10 to fix this problem iam sure i will have the votes to get this passed

Was L1 and L2 just about putting motors together.

Quoted from hotspot

Was L1 and L2 just about putting motors together.

you would need to be dumb to think that

My rockets were never checked all that was needed was to show you could put a RMS together you only have to show building skills for L3.

The rockets that you used for level 1 and 2 hotspot had you flown them before.

Looked at the question again you had to build your own rocket Phil you able to let us know if its the case or not because almost ready to fly rockets are around and they could be used for L1.

Quoted from hotspot

Looked at the question again you had to build your own rocket Phil you able to let us know if its the case or not because almost ready to fly rockets are around and they could be used for L1.

ok there has been a few words added to the HPR docurment which means you will need to build your own rockets for level 1 or 2 which most people do anyway if you have brought a premade rocket you will need to let the FTO know because if to much of the rocket has been built for you then you cant use it if the fin can has been pre built this will be allowed but not much more

as for level 3 that is a project file and no prebuit fincans allowed some prebuilt parts are allowed your FTO can tell you more about that if you are going for this level

which rockets are fully or nearly built hotspot ?

I suppose the glr arf range would be considered to be ready to fly as it only takes an hour to put one together.

Quoted from hotspot

I suppose the glr arf range would be considered to be ready to fly as it only takes an hour to put one together.

i just checked all the GLR range they are fine for any level you wish use them for

they only have two kits for level 3 and they are fine the rest even the ready to fly are fine for level 1 or 2  

This thread appears to have gotten off topic a bit. From a request for a casing to debate on certification procedues.

It is with regret and disappointment that some members may feel that not building your own rocket is acceptable practice for a certification. As stated previously how will one learn anything by borrowing a rocket for a cert flight.  

Procedures have been updated and if any financial members are interested in submitting proposals procedures can be found here; http://www.australianrocketryclub.com.au/forum/m-1249192257/s-all/

Well maybe L1 and L2 should have a documented build as with L3  people think about it as it was not in the documents and has now been amended.

Quoted from hotspot

Well maybe L1 and L2 should have a documented build as with L3  people think about it as it was not in the documents and has now been amended.

i think you will find that one hard to get passed we dont want to make it harder for people to get into HPR and i think a  L1 and L2 documented build would turn some people of

Thats right build your rocket put your rms together and fly.

Quoted from hotspot

Thats right build your rocket put your rms together and fly.

its not rocket science  

or brain surgery....

The problem is many out in rocket land think they are rocket scientests.

Quoted from hotspot

The problem is many out in rocket land think they are rocket scientests.

yeah or rocket gods hahahahaha  

Back on topic the rocket for certifications should be built by the person flying it, I dont think a detailed build should be in place for L1 or L2 the rockets for cert flights are meant to be checked by the RSO and FTO anyway unless of course its a proven flyer previously. many have rockets that fly g motors and use it for cert flights which is a great way to go.

this is the new wording for level 1 and 2   and has been passed

8. The individual will construct and fly their own rocket